Business lessons, life, and liquor. Each episode, Jon Umstead and co-host Nic Hess go against the grain to talk straight about entrepreneurship, intrapreneurship, leadership, and building something fun from nothing.
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Against the Grain Podcast
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AG Podcast Ep 10: It Ain’t Build It and They Will Come
Jon and Nic sit down with Kim Bartley for a wide-ranging conversation about Jon’s upcoming book, the ideas behind it, and why the book’s themes resonate with real-world business experience. Kim brings a strong marketing lens from her 31-plus years at White Castle and her decade of teaching at Ohio State, giving the discussion practical weight and perspective.
AG Podcast Ep 9: Product Pairing
Jon and Nic talk through how products gain momentum when they travel together, with examples from retail, software, and food pairings like chicken and waffles. They also cover how substitution can open new markets, why anticipation matters before launch, and why leaders should stay close to frontline execution.
AG Podcast Ep 8: Product Placement
Jon and Nic welcome guest Ryan Berry, founder of Berry Digital Solutions and part of the team behind the Logan County Chronicle, to discuss the importance of product placement. Together, the group connects advertising, storytelling, and real-world examples from phones, bourbon, newspapers, and movie placements.
AG Podcast Ep 7: Marketing Earns Attention, Branding Earns Trust
Jon and Nic welcome their first guest, Kevin Morron, for a conversation about brand story, authenticity, and how personal identity shows up in work, recruiting, and even Bigfoot fandom.
AG Podcast Ep 6: Process Equals Consistency
Jon and Nic dive into the core of what makes outcomes predictable and reliable. Nic shares how accountability transforms mere routines into powerful drivers of results, whether in farming, moonshining, or business.
AG Podcast Ep 5: Enthusiasm and Understanding
Starting a new venture can be exhilarating, but why do some businesses thrive while others fizzle out? Often, enthusiasm acts as the initial spark that propels entrepreneurs forward. However, sustaining that momentum requires more. It demands understanding, realistic expectations, and strategic focus. In this episode, Jon and Nic explore how enthusiasm fuels growth, why understanding your market and yourself is crucial, and the importance of intentional planning for long-term success.
AG Podcast Ep 4: Reputation Travels Faster Than Advertising
Jon and Nic explore the critical importance of reputation in business versus traditional advertising. They discuss how reputation influences customer trust, brand perception, and long-term success, emphasizing that reputation can make or break your enterprise faster than any marketing campaign.
AG Podcast Ep 3: Implosions Happen (Get Over It)
Jon and Nic share personal stories, business insights, and a few laughs while diving into lessons learned from moonshine mishaps and the importance of purpose in your work.
AG Podcast Ep 2: Just Go For It
Jon and Nic explore the power of taking risks, the importance of paying attention to detail, and challenging the status quo to foster innovation. They share personal stories, including Jon’s journey with Buffalo Trace, and practical advice on asking for what you want.